If you missed part 1, you can rewind and check it out here. It took a lot of cutting and editing to get all these notes into one post... but I'm ready to move on and get back to the fun stuff: homeschool and kid posts! So here's my last post on this series. There's tons of great information and in case you missed the introduction, most of this information (a lot of it is directly quoted from Kent Hovind) came from CSE Ministry's Creation Seminar, Part 1, "The Age of the Earth".
Why am I so passionate about Old Earth verses Young Earth Creationism? Because I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and I take it literally. I think God made it for me to be able to understand it (like a child, without the aid of an interpreter) and that he wrote it with me in mind. I believe He inspired it and that he preserved it to this very day. Old Earth and Evolution are a far cry from the Bible’s literal account of Creation, and to me, therefore, they are simply not something I can believe in. Millions of god-hating men from the dawn of time have tried to discredit the Bible and as of yet have been unable to do so. The sad part is that there are souls lost to evolution and humanism every day – and it begins with public broadcasting and public schools… when kids aren’t even able to read yet.
The Bible matters. God is what gives me hope, meaning and a future beyond this life. I'm putting my eggs in the basket of eternity. I am naturally interested in evidences that might prove individual verses in the Bible as being true (although I would take them on faith even if there were no evidences to show). Bible archeology is another interest of mine being a Christian. The newest information about the search for Noah's Ark is intriguing. I have been following all the claims and this newest one seems the most promising.
Atheistic evolution provides a world without purpose or hope. If atheistic evolution is true, our star (sun) only has 5 billion years left until it dwarfs and burns up the inner planets... leaving us without resources and most likely extinct (un-remembered in cosmic eternity - returning to the stardust we supposedly came from). What are the odds that humans will find a way off this planet to populate some other perfectly habitable home somewhere in outer space? What is the point in this argument when we are all headed for extinction (either years from now or quickly by catastrophe with asteroid collision)? Come on, do 'they' really think that population control is going to prevent extinction? If 'they' are right, WHO CARES about ethics, morals, endangered species or biofuels? We're on a road to no-where.
So, without further ado, here are a few more reasons why I believe it is not so impossible to believe in a Young Earth....
Evolution and Old Earth is opposite from 6-Day Creation (biblical account) on many points, and if a loose interpretation is made of the “days” in Genesis… you can see that Old Earth doesn’t make sense…
BIBLE SAYS...Belief that the days in Genesis are epochs doesn't make sense to me. Think clearly about it here: Either Genesis is out of order (casting doubt on God's 'inspiration') and the plants lived millions of years without sunlight… or the Bible is right that God made the plants a DAY before he made the sun. How can a God that is so holy and perfect that he can create everything that exists in one second and have it be able to sustain life for all known time not know how to write a book without mistakes? He created the human mind and all the animals yet he can’t dictate a story in the right order?
1. Earth before
2. Oceans before land
3. Light before sun
4. Land and plants first
5. Fruit trees before Fish
6. Fish before insects
7. Plants before sun
8. Marine mammals before land mammals
9. Birds before reptiles
10. Atmosphere between two layers of water
EVOLUTION/OLD EARTH SAYS...1. Sun before earth
2. Land before oceans
3. Sun before light
4. Marine life first
5. Fish before fruit trees
6. Insects before fish
7. Sun before plants
8. Land mammals before marine mammals
9. Reptiles before birds
10. Atmosphere above water
My husband and I both struggled with the Bible for a while when we first became Christians. We studied a lot with other Christians and although we could feel God pulling on our heartstrings, and our life was changing for the better… the real moment of truth happened when the science was put in perspective for us. When we read about dinosaurs in Job and found the evidence that was never taught to us in public schools, it all started to make sense.
I don't believe being a Christian means that you have to commit intellectual suicide. On the contrary, the longer I have been a Christian and studied both critics of Christianity, Secular Science and rebuttals in favor of Creation, the stronger my faith has become. The important thing to do if YOU are seeking truth in this area is to study God's Word and pray. We shouldn't expect that we can find answers to origins from mankind (the creation) and yet not inquire of God. God gives wisdom freely to those who ask Him for it. King Solomon was famous for this in all the earth... and I still think that God will bless us with it today if we ask and seek Him FIRST.
Below is a list of more questions that evolution fails to answer coherently. I believe you’ll be amazed at all the evidence (or criticism of the other side's evidence) there is and most of it you’ve probably never heard of (if you’ve been raised in American public schools). I know there's been much banter back and forth in my comments section, and a couple of these might have been discussed there as well. I apologize for any duplication of information.
Other questions evolutionists can’t answer:
Who made the laws that govern the universe?The law of angular momentum in physics dictates that if a body is spinning and it breaks apart, every piece that is flying off will spin in the same direction the original object was spinning. If this is true, and the Big Bang is true, WHY are so many moons and planets in our solar system spinning in different directions? Kent Hovind says that “God did it on purpose to make the big bang theory look stupid”.
Who made the energy needed for a big bang?Answers in Genesis puts it this way: "Unlike the 'Energizer Bunny', which just keeps going and going on its own power (or so the ad would have you believe), the universe is running out of available energy and is becoming more chaotic, or disorderly, as time goes on. Eventually, there will be no more energy available throughout the universe to accomplish any work. So where did all the original available energy come from, i.e. how was it 'wound up' initially? Someone outside of the universe had to have created it orderly in the beginning—that Someone was God."
Where are all the people?Kent Hovind discusses the Human population curve for this argument against evolution saying, "almost all textbooks agree that there were only 1 billion in 1810." According to Hovind: 1. The whole population in the world today would fit inside the city of Jacksonville, Florida twice. 2. When Jesus was here there were about 250,000,000 people on the planet. 3. The growth curve proves that we started about 4400 years ago. 5. The Bible teaches that God made everything about 6,000 years ago and 4400 years ago there was a big flood (conveniently starting around the same time the population curve does). 6. Evolutionists then have a huge problem because in just 3,000,000 years the population would have grown to 150,000 people per square inch of earth.
Why are galaxies still spiral shaped?Galaxies are spinning and gradually loose their spiral shapes. If they are billions of years old why are the still spiral shaped? To the Creationist this is no problem, but the evolution and old earth can not explain this.
Why are there not more Super Novas?Astronomers observed that about every 30 years a star dies and explodes into a super nova. If the earth is billions of years old, why are there less than 300 known super nova? There should be a lot more of them. According to other articles I have read, the current amount of supernovae in stage 2 found indicate an age of between 10-50 thousand years old (increasing as they find more). More on this topic in my comments section for part 1.
If it takes billions of years for stars to evolve, why was Sirius seen as both red and white in less than 2,000 years?Teachers say red stars evolve into white stars and it takes billion years to happen. If this is true, why did Cicero in 50 BC state that Sirius was red, why did Seneca describe it as being “redder than mars”, and why did Ptolemy say it was one of the six red stars in 150 AD. According to Hovind, "TODAY SIRIUS is a WHITE star-binary." It has been less than 2,000 years!
Why are some planets and moons still so hot/have such strong magnetic fields if they are so old?Some planets are cooling off still. Hovind uses the analogy of a coffee cup: "How long does a cup of coffee stay hot?" Jupiter’s moon Ganymede still has a strong magnetic field indicating that it has a very hot inner core that has not finished cooling yet. According to Hovind, "Even evolutionists say that it should have cooled solid billions of years ago. Creationists don’t have a problem here. It isn’t billion of years old."
Why are Saturn’s rings still unstable?According to Hovind, Saturn’s rings are unstable and moving away from the planet proving that it can’t be billions of years old.
If the earth is 4.6 billions of years old, how do you explain the rate that the moon is gradually moving away from the planet?According to Dr. Hovind, the moon is going around the earth and gradually getting further away from the planet. He says to his audience on the seminar video, "That means it used to be CLOSER. If you bring the moon in closer, you start to create a problem because the moon causes the tides. If you bring the moon closer, the tides are higher. Calculating the inverse square law (1/3 the force of attraction between 2 objects is 9 times greater) that means about 1.2 billion years ago the moon would have been whizzing around just above the surface of the earth (explaining what happened to the taller dinos)" Then he adds, “They got mooned!” He tells us that using this calculation from the moon makes a 4.6 billion year old earth geophysically impossible.
How can the earth be 4.6 billion years old if there are still comets?Comets are loosing tails. They only last about 10,000 years. Pretty soon they are gone. Some scientists propose that new comets are coming in from the “Ort Cloud”. In 1950 Jan Ort proposed there was a great cloud 50,000 AU away. Pluto is really hard to see at 39 AU away. Seeing a comet at 50,000 AU is impossible. According to Hovind, "Ort never saw the ort cloud. The whole thing is built on a mathematical mistake (see Raymond Littleton, “The Non-existence of the Ort Commentary Shell”, Astrophysics and Space Science, Vol 31 – December 1934, pp. 385-401)." and, "It is not up to creationists to prove the non-existence of the Ort cloud. Why don’t THEY prove the Ort cloud exists? THEY are the ones with the problem believing comets are OLD."
Why do we still have a magnetic field if the Earth is billions of years old?Hovind says the Earth’s magnet has lost 6% of its strength in the last 150 years. (Astronomy and the bible by Donald DeYoung, P.18) He says on the seminar, "That means the magnetic field is getting weaker. It used to be stronger. That means the earth has to be at least 25,000 years or younger. If not, the heat generated by the field would have destroyed life on earth." He also claims that this "also means carbon dating doesn’t work."
If the earth is billions of years old, how can you explain its slowing spin?The earth is spinning over 1000 mph at the equator…. but, it is slowing down. They add ticks to the clock to keep up with this loss of time. Every once in a while (like New Years Eve in 1990 and 1992 – etc.) they have added a ticks. The earth slows down 1,000th of a second every day. In 1992 they added another tick. Leap seconds happen every year or year to a half. Hovind states in his Creation Seminar that: "If the earth is slowing, it used to be going faster. At the steady rate of slowing, a few billion years back, and the earth would have been going so fast that centrifugal force would have spun the dinosaurs clean off of the planet (maybe that’s what happened to them???!!!)" and also says that "the winds would have been 5,000 miles per hour from the Coriolis effect."
According to the research on the time it takes for the process of desertification, why is the *oldest desert only 4,000 years old?Sahara Desert has a prevailing wind pattern. Hot air causes more desert to spread – desertification. After studying Sahara, they say it is about 4,000 years old. If the earth is millions of years old, though, why is the biggest desert less than 4,000 years old? It’s hard to have a desert during a flood (4400 years ago).
* Note, according to Talk Origins, they say that there is an 80-90 million year old desert, but I have not checked into this claim or done any research on it. I would ask how they got their date and see if it were feasible before taking this off my list. From what I know, this was not on the AIG (Answers in Genesis) list of "arguments not to use with evolutionists". However, I'm open to letting this one rest if there's clear evidence against it.
If the earth is billions of years old, why is there still oil pressure?Notes directly from "Age of the Earth": Oil pressure is greater than the pressure of the overbearing rock. It should have cracked the rock in less than 10,000 years. If the earth is millions of years old, why is there still ANY oil pressure at all? Where did the oil come from? Nearly all scientists agree that oil is made from pressurized organic matter (organisms that once lived in the sea changed by heat and pressure). Years ago they learned how to make oil in 30 minutes. Sinclair has the dino as their logo… yet some say the oil has been under the earth mellowing for 80 million years. Young earth creation easily explains this by the flood 4400 years ago and the pressure of the water (enough to cover every mountain on earth) changing all the plants and animals (including dinosaurs and people) into oil. So think of that when you are at the pump! Say thanks to “great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great… grandpa” for keeping you on the road!
How can the earth be billions of years old if the rings in the ice cores are really not annual rings at all?More notes from Hovind's Part 1 seminar [sorry, I'm getting too lazy to format the notes, if you can't tell already. Whew, this post is long!]: Many scientists study ice cores from Greenland and the poles. Core samples have rings. Some scientists believe refreezing each winter and summer represents an annual ring. But what they don’t take into account is that “The Lost Squadron” crash landed in Greenland. In 1990 ground penetrating radar discovered a plane 263 feet below surface. They melted the hole to get to them and noticed rings in the ice. The guy who dug out the airplane talked with Kent Hovind. He said from the time the planes were lost in Greenland in 1942 up until 1990 when they found them, there were 48 years. If they were 263 feet below the surface, that means 5.5 feet of ice and snow per year. The deepest core they have drilled at the ice labs is 10,000 feet. Divide 10,000 feet by 5.5 feet of snow and ice per year, and you get only 1824 years back! The guy who dug the airplane out said he saw those rings – many hundreds of them. If they are annual, how do you get that many on top of an airplane? The rings represent climate changes – which can be hourly, daily, monthly, or by season!!! Warm cold, warm cold, warm cold! A guy in Alaska got 15 distinct layers of snow on his car in just 8 hours.
How can an old earth explain polystrata fossils or objects that are known to have petrified quickly (when scientists say it takes millions of years to petrify)?This one is a particular favorite of my dad's. Hovind states as an introduction to this topic that the "Geologic column’s timescale is a lie." If it is true that the layers formed over that many years, how can they explain polystrata fossils (petrified trees growing through multiple layers of strata)??? Even harder for them to explain is the existence of upside down trees (which would suggest catastrophic or flood conditions when rock formations/layers are made). One polystrata fossil near Cookville, TN grows in layers of coal that are dated thousands of year’s difference in age. There are thousands of these fossils defying evolution and old earth. Evolution requires that we believe in SLOW petrification… yet Scientists estimate there are 20,000 trees in the bottom of Spirit Lake – many buried upright and 15 feet deep in sediments. They seem to settle out by species giving the appearance of complete underwater forest.
Not only this, but there are many items that are known to have petrified quickly. The conditions of a flood would increase petrification rate. There’s ample evidence that the time limit required by 'old earthers' and evolutionists for petrification is WRONG. They have found a petrified dog inside a tree, petrified pickles, a petrified fish (giving birth - indicating catastrophic conditions causing it's demise). These things defy the dating systems that evolutionists and 'old earthers' use to calculate the age of the earth and geologic layers.
Another more recent upset to geology is the finding of a live coelacanth. It makes me scratch my head in wonder that no one would question the geologic column (dating fossils by rocks and then rocks by fossils - circular reasoning) when a "prehistoric" fish is found alive. Doesn't that mean that a celocamp could be found in ANY GEOLOGIC LAYER? How, then, do you date a layer of rock with a coelacanth in it? Hu? *scratching head*
Why is the Gulf of Mexico not full of mud already if the earth is billions of years old and there was no global flood?
According to Hovind, the Mississippi river is depositing sediments at the rate of 80,000 tons per hour. That delta is growing larger all the time. It probably took around 30,000 years to put the mud that is in the Gulf of Mexico there. If the earth is millions of years old, why isn’t the whole Gulf filled with mud by now? The flood would have washed half of it out in 20 minutes – yet evolutionists deny flood geology and don’t believe in the flood.
Why is the oldest tree found alive less than 5,000 years old if the earth is billions of years old?The oldest tree alive is 4300 years old. ... and according to Hovind, Trees sometimes produce more than one ring a year. If the earth is millions of years old, why is the oldest one only 4300? The flood would explain this…. And we can count back by genealogy from the flood to the “beginning”.
If the earth is millions of years old, why is there not an older coral reef?The largest reef in the world is the Great Barrier Reef in Australia. During WW2 some of the reef was destroyed and the scientists began to watch it grow to see its rate of return. They say based on this study that it is 4200 years old.
If the earth is millions of years old, why has Niagara Falls not receded all the way back to Lake Eerie?Niagara Falls has been eroding for nearly 9,900 years. Up until the 1930’s it was eroding at the rate of 4.7 feet a year, causing the falls to move backwards as the water washed away the land under the edge. Charles Lyell went there and stated at first that it took 10,000 years to erode to it’s present state, and then later wrote the book “The Principals of Geology and stated that it took 35,000 years. Charles Lyell hated the Bible. Darwin read this book. Even at 35,000 years there is a limit to how far back it goes. If the earth is millions of years old, it would already have gone back as far as Lake Eerie.
If the oceans are millions of years old, why are they only 3.6% salt?Mineral salts from the soil and rain runoff in the ocean cause the oceans to be 3.6% salt today. Many evolutionists then ask, “How did the fresh water fish survive in the flood?” According to Hovind, fish today are salt-water because of gradual salt increase since the flood (natural adaptation to their environment).
If the earth is billions of years old and formations of flowstone really do take 250 million years to form… how can evolutionists explain the quick rate of observed flowstone formations around the world?Cave formations don’t take as long as evolutionists say to form. 250 million years is how long evolutionists say it takes (1,000 years per inch). Yet how do they explain the 50 inch stalactites growing under the Lincoln Memorial built in 1922 (photo was from the 1960’s). How do they explain the 2 inch ones growing off of a refrigeration shed in Pensacola, Florida (shed was built in 1926 or 7). Then there’s the building in Indiana open for 40 years that had a basement getting full of flowstone formations (photos and references on Kent Hovind’s Creation Seminars, Part 1 – “The Age of the Earth”). A lead mine cave in Mt. Isa Australia was shut down for 55 years and had huge formations of flowstone that grew there within that time. A building built in 1993 in Hurlburt Field, FL has a 13 inch stalactite growing on the property near a pipe. This was only 7 years! On the UT Campus in Austin, there were stalactites growing on people’s cars in the parking lot. Some guy in Wyoming has a “Tepee Fountain” in his yard made of flowstone. Over a period of 100 years, the pipe is still there and there is a huge limestone formation growing in his yard now – almost as big as a house.
If the earth is billions of years old, why do we still find fossils above sea level?At the current rate of erosion, the continents would be eroded flat in 14 million years. The ground doesn’t fall UP. It falls down. Volcanoes do not put forth sedimentary rock (which is where fossils are found). Why are there huge erosion patterns in places it never rains? Grand Canyon didn’t form slowly over millions of years – there’s no way it could have flown up-hill for 300 miles to cut the channel through the rock. Ripple marks in southern Iraq only explained by a world-wide flood.
If people are millions of years old, why is the oldest language in the world only 6,000 years old, and why do cultures around the world say that the earth began less than 10,000 years ago?Oldest language is less than 6,000 years old. The Chinese calendar puts us in the 4700s. Maybe they started with the birth of Shem or Noah? The Hebrews calendar puts us around 5763. There are no historical records that are older than 5 or 6 thousand years old.
Evidence for young earth is overwhelming but much of it is never shown. Not even honest criticism of evolution theory or warnings of false icons in textbooks that are still being used is allowed. Just what are they afraid of? Kent Hovind says on his seminar "When you start to think for yourself as a people, it makes you a bad slave. You just might just throw the tea in the harbor and start a war."
According to Hovind, "75% of kids in Christian homes who go to public school are losing faith in the bible largely because of evolution." He states that many a seminary student has been lost to secular, atheistic colleges that preach evolution and old earth... and he says evolution leads children to believe there are errors in the bible, when it is really errors in their science. According to Hovind (and the great group at Answers in Genesis), "The old earth theory causes the credibility of Genesis to be at stake." The word “Yom” in Hebrew means a literal 24 hour period (see this, and this article for more information). Hovind and Ham both agree that Jesus quoted genesis a lot and must have believed in it.
Hovind discusses the fact that supplying only one side of an argument makes it easy to brainwash people. He says, "All evolutionists have to do is get you off track in the first few seconds and they have you brainwashed." They begin with kindergarteners. One of the first books a kindergartener is ever given is “I can read about Dinosaurs”. First page begins with “Millions of years ago…” (as if there was no other theory and evolution is a fact). Then you have the TV shows on PBS and Discovery Channel that do the same and are aimed at a young audience. Kids are brainwashed before they can even read on their own! Even Dr. Seuss says “Millions of years before you were born”. Dr. Hovind says, "This calls Jesus a liar." Matthew 19:4 says Adam and Eve were the “Beginning” and the Bible says there was no death until Adam sinned. This is another area AIG and CSE (Creation Science Evangelism - Kent Hovind's ministry) agree wholeheartedly.
Many people can’t believe in the Bible because they don’t understand where dinosaurs fit in to the Creation account. Kent Hovind discusses the mention of dinosaurs (behemoth and leviathan) in the book of Job. I read through Job this morning - it always impresses me to read God's awesome rebuke to Job and his awesome wonders... especially leviathan and behemoth.
“Slime to Human” is a philosophy that destroys people’s faith. In Col. 2:8 the Bible says “beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ.”
Don't get me wrong, you can believe in evolution and still be a saved, born-again Christian. I believe there are plenty of Christians out there in the Old Earth camp who are just as saved by grace as I am. I am certainly not trying to point fingers. I just thought it would be nice to explain my position for anyone who may be on the fence, or anyone who may wonder at why we are so against putting our kids in science classes at public school (of course, this isn't the ONLY reason we homeschool, but it is ONE of them). I feel that in my own heart, the literal account of Genesis is the correct account. I don't know HOW God did it, but I believe He did. I believe as AIG says in "Upholding the Authority of the Bible from the Very First Verse". I am a literalist, and am not ashamed to be so. In the end, though - it really won't matter.
A few questions to ask yourself:1. How will kids view the world after 12-16 years to school in your town?Other Interesting, Related Reading:Why I Believe in 6-Day Creation - Part 1
2. If the Bible is right about the beginning don’t you think it will be right about the end?
Evolution and Emissions Debate
Icons of Evolution - Book Review by Sprittibee
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